Tuesday, April 11, 2006

Immigratrion Irrelevance

I don’t know if I’ve mentioned this before, but in Miami, there are a lot of Hispanics. And, in true Miami fashion, they have decided to start protesting this whole immigration reform thing about a week and a half late, since doing it on time may have given some sort of indication we did anything like Americans. A few people have asked me why I haven’t written about this yet since immigrants seem to one of my favorite ranting topics. Well, mostly it’s because not much going on right now will affect me or Dade County.

This may come as a surprise to those of you who consider me a xenophobic zealot, but I don’t have too much of a problem with illegal immigrants coming here and taking jobs nobody else wants. I mean, seriously, when was the last time you saw a white guy picking tomatoes? My only problem with illegals is when they start demanding access to government resources. Because coming into a country illegally and then expecting to capitalize on programs funded by those who are here legally is like breaking into my house and demanding a beer. But while this was a cause of great debate in California in the 90’s, it is not the main issue in this current round if “immigration reform.”

Here’s the other reason I really couldn't care less about all the Latinos in the street yelling “Si, se puede” (and, really, if you’re going to argue that you should be allowed into a country, perhaps you should try protesting in THAT COUNTRY’S FRIGGIN’ LANGUAGE): While immigrants in places like LA, Houston and Phoenix are for a large part illegal and taking crap jobs that Americans won’t do, the ones in Miami are largely somewhat legal and taking jobs most Americans want. But, since they are educated, have money and are here legally, there’s not a whole lot you can do about it. Money will buy you naturalization faster than any bill passed by congress. I can sit here and complain until I am blue in the face that nobody in Dade County has bothered to learn English, but there is really nothing congress could do to change it except completely shut our borders to Latin Americans. And even I will admit that would be an idea too stupid for even President Bush.

The only real way to stop rich South Americans form moving to Miami is to invest in South American economies so guys like Hugo Chavez, Augustus Pinochet and Fidel Castro do not rise to power and the rich are not forced to flee. And while the US has been doing that with varying degrees of success, the popularity of capitalism in Latin America is still debatable at best. I could devote a week’s worth of posts to that subject, but, quite honestly, it is a little too high brow for this blog and I doubt anybody wants to read my views on MERCOSUR.

While I am frustrated on a daily basis by the dominance of Latin culture in this city, I am more or less ambivalent about the recent immigration controversy. Illegal immigrants are fine by me as long as they aren’t utilizing government programs that legal residents pay for. They provide valuable services that may not otherwise be provided and probably do more good than harm to the economy. And since the glut of legal immigrants in Miami could only be stopped by foolishly closing our borders, there just isn’t much for me to say on the issue. Illegals, if you want to come over here and work in the fields and clean houses all day, go right ahead. Bienvenidos. If you want to do more than that, get yourself naturalized and work your way up. Because my problem has never been with the Mexican doing yard work who decides he wants a better life. It is with the Argentine who comes here with money and perpetuates a culture of conspicuous consumption while turning his nose up at the people who founded the country which he now calls home.

34 Comments:

At 12:18 PM, Anonymous David said...

You again are about 90% correct. Nice job. This whole debate is only relevant in states in which Mexicans can cross the border by foot. It really should be called the Mexican debate. Anybody from the East Coast that hasn't lived anywhere else and has a strong opinion on this has another agenda. The comment you made about the Argentine is a little flawed in that if you are not a direct ancestor of the founding fathers then you shouldn't be claiming credit for a country in which your ancestors relocated to the early 1900's, which is most of us. Those descended from slaves actually have more of a claim than the standard Anglo-American. I can understand your frustration living in a city that is dominated by what would be a minority in any other location but try not to overstep your bounds and take credit for this country just because you are white. Forgive me if your name is White Dade Jefferson or something like that. My opinion on this as a result of living in LA and Phoenix for a period of time is that we need to allow LEGAL immigration and crack down on the ILLEGALS. I'm fine with an open policy that allows anybody to come if they want a better life, those that would deny that would have denied their ancestors entry and this counrty would have never flourished. I also don't think it is too much to ask to sign a friggin guestbook on the way in and do it the legal way. This debate tends to stir up feelings from white people, of which I am, that really tend to be hypocritical. Should these people be waving Mexican flags during the protests. Absolutely not. Do you think the European immigrants of the early 1900's were viewed any differently? Step back and look at yourself before you make statements about "your country" and start to demand personal respect. Immigrants should learn the history and love this country but they owe you nothing unless you got an original copy of the Declaration of Independence sitting above your fireplace.

 
At 12:21 PM, Anonymous David said...

Aside from your comment about the Argentine that wasn't an attack on you, White Dade.

 
At 12:28 PM, Anonymous Johnson said...

Trolling for some hate comments and vitriol today are we WD? Not to say you don't make valid points, but I will sit back and watch the haters attack. Should keep me entertained throughout the rest of the workday. Remember the craziness over Elian back when we were at The U?

And while I normally wouldn't use WD's blog as a medium to promote mine, there's a question that I posed on mine that I'm honestly very curious about. His readership is quite a bit larger than mine.

 
At 12:29 PM, Anonymous Johnson said...

Sorry, I made a mistake on my blog link. The corrected link is posted.

 
At 12:38 PM, Blogger spinachdip said...

I agree with david (I think, maybe not) that the way to curb illegal immigration is to have a more open policy.

There's obviously demand for migrant labor, so why not have a wider guest worker policy that promotes legal entry to the US? Everybody wins - businesses that need migrant workers can do so legally, and the workers can get a fair wage and demand safe workplace conditions, and the government gets more tax revenue.

Of course, there's no honest attempt at finding a real solution because it's just an election year issue. With Iraq and the Abramoff scandal, what are Republicans going to run on? They have to find a hot button issue to distract the voters and nothing gets people more riled up than gays and Mexicans.

 
At 12:58 PM, Blogger angel, jr. said...

Good post!

 
At 1:04 PM, Blogger White Dade said...

DAvid - Since you lived here, you know. It is totally different and the debate is not relevant in Mimai. Perhaps I should have phrased it "Turns his nose up at the peopel who already live here." Like coming into someone's house and saying they have cheap furniture.

Johnson - I protested infront of Elian's house, Dude. Of course, that's back when I thought it was cool to be Cuban

SDip - Yeah, see, but the intelligent solutions never get implemented. Sad, as your idea would probably make everyone winners.

Angel - Thank you, sir.

 
At 1:12 PM, Anonymous David said...

This really isn't a black and white, republican vs. democrat issue. I didn't vote for Dubya but if anything he has been hammered for not being strong enough on immigration. Too much spending and immigration are the main problems the Republicans have with Bush. The California politicians, mostly Democrats, that are too afraid to touch the subject are also part of the problem. Legalize everybody already here since it would be too expensive to try to send people back and allow a more open immigration policy but crack down hard on all illegals from that point on. Crack down on the companies that employ them even harder. The "this is my country" "respect me because I'm white" "assmiliate now" mentality has to stop though. Just the opinion of an American History major that uses the degree to cast commercials.

 
At 1:23 PM, Anonymous David said...

White Dade- I understand that you have to deal with Latin culture domination but I still don't think anybody owes you anything. Why? Because you are an Anglo-American? Would you care if a rich white person from Palm Beach turned their nose up at you? Both the Argentine and the Palm Beacher are more than likely worth the same amount of money or have the same level of education. I never really encountered anymore snobbery in Miami than I did in LA or especially NYC. The snobs just have different ethnicities. Do you live in Hialeah? Just kidding, although you seem to deal this in a much more exaggerated form than I ever remember encountering. I also remember the Cubans in Little Havana and in general being extremely patriotic. So I don't think they are disrespecting "our house". If you know of people that move here and then hate on America that is a different problem. I'm just saying that I don't think anybody owes me anything beside entering the country in a legal manner. If you want to try to make English the official language I suggest you contact your local congressman. And you thought the immigration debate went nowhere.

 
At 1:25 PM, Anonymous David said...

my comments are longer than your orignial post. i'm done for now. i'll check back later.

 
At 1:27 PM, Blogger Ale8one said...

Come on, talk about the MERCOSUR

 
At 1:30 PM, Blogger Andy said...

Damn, this blog should be retitled to "White Dade: A Forum for David to Comment On."

You two should get a room...right next to me and Jack Bauer.

 
At 1:38 PM, Anonymous wayne said...

selma hayek is hot. i like enchiladas. happy cinqo de mayo!

 
At 1:43 PM, Anonymous D Bomb said...

ever been to ohio or indiana? white trash picks all their own produce. mexicans only do that kind of work on border states. i pity the white trash of new mexico.

 
At 2:00 PM, Anonymous rumandpopcorn said...

WD, your point that will probably go unnoticed is the one about rich South Americans fleeing the likes of Hugo Chavez in South America.

My first college roommate was, and I kid you not, the son of the owner of Venzuela's biggest car wash chain, and they were loaded (but apparently still cheap, sending their kid to Goergia Tech).

Anyway, it's a good bet that Chavez nationalized car washes or something, and the family fled to South Florida. Good news is, they speak decent English, so you've probably never yelled at any of them.

I'm curious about your thoughts on the MERCOSUR, but for the majority of the audience, you best keep that to yourself.

 
At 2:23 PM, Anonymous taco head said...

yesterday I got the best blow job from a Mexican..I can still feel it in my balls.
he was small, he looked like a woman...no matter I still got head.

 
At 2:29 PM, Blogger White Dade said...

David - Well, America has a culture, and I tinhk asismilation into it is as vital as any other residency requirement. I am less offended by "old money" in PB than an Argentine who just moved here looking down on me, yes. Call me racist, but I just don't tihnk you should move to a country and turn oyur nose up at its residents.

Ale - Maybe someday

Andy - We oculd get adjoining doors. There's the topic for your next hypothetical script.

D Bomd - I did not know that. I tohuhg migrant workers did it everywhere. Hence the Mexican populations in the midwest

RP - Good. My old landlors was a 19-year-old son of the owners of the largest steel company in Argentina. Nice kid, actually, but renting form a guy six years younger than you is never fun.

 
At 2:44 PM, Anonymous Sammy said...

what do you mean by turn your nose up? do you need somebody to say, "hey white american. you are great." did you not get a table at a restaurant with a venezuelan maitre'd or did a brazilian doorman keep you out of club? i need an example to understand. why are you more okay with old money, and who can be sure who is old money or new money, than a rich immigrant acting in the same negative way. both suck and nobody owes you anything because you were born here. to judge them differently does hint of racism or at least prejudice. i'm not sayig you are either but i'd like you to explain yourself.

 
At 2:54 PM, Anonymous Daniella said...

hey dade, a word to the wise. start judging and reacting to people by their actions rather than there ethnicities. you just said you would feel differently if two individuals treated you in the same manner. that means you already have an opinion of one of those individuals prior to the action. not cool. not calling you a bigot, racist or anything of the sort but that attitude is one of the reasons racism still exists. it is easy when somebody wrongs you to immediately fall back to blaming it on a racial stereotype. be bigger than that.

 
At 2:58 PM, Blogger White Dade said...

Sammy - Old money is pretty much what there is in PB, and since that was the example used, I went with it. But, yes, I suppose there is a bit of new money there too

Daniella - Thank you for not calling me a bigot, because I am not. It has more to do with someone coming into the ocuntry and looking down their nose at the peopel who live there. Regardless of income. If Arte Moreno wants to look down his nose at me, fine. He's been here a while, worked his way up, etc. But if some guy from Argentina, or any ocuntry, comes here and isults the inhabitants, I tihnk that's rude.

 
At 3:07 PM, Anonymous Sammy said...

WHAT INSULTS AND TURNING NOSE UP ARE YOU SPEAKING OF?? you no makey any sensey.

 
At 3:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you know what is rude? you treating people different based on where they were born.

 
At 3:14 PM, Anonymous heather said...

that is really rude and ignorant. but ya know what is even more rude? promising somebody a christmas card if they e-mailed you and stiffing them. thanks a lot.

 
At 4:18 PM, Anonymous Cliff... said...

Here's another analogy for the people who don't get his point on the Palm Beach/Argentina issue...It's just like the people who move here (Miami) from New York, (or people from Texas move anywhere),and complain to us how everything there is better. It's not "racist" to find it annoying. It just leaves in you that, "Well than get the hell out of here" attitude. Get it?

 
At 6:03 PM, Blogger mrshife said...

I guess you wanted to spice things up a little today. You do make some good points especially about their signs being in their native language. I hope you don't get too much hate.

 
At 10:16 PM, Anonymous nicole said...

Yeah, I'm with Shife on this one. Well written post with clearly explained reasoning. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I just hope yours won't net you too many death threats.

 
At 10:48 PM, Anonymous nicole said...

Dade, quick question. Do you plan to delete some of the lame ass comments we've been seeing lately? Or are you gonna keep them around to spice things up? ;)

 
At 10:15 AM, Blogger Sofi said...

I fucking love you, White Dade! Another great post.

 
At 10:41 AM, Blogger Ashburnite said...

So apparently this phantom commenter is in Atlanta. IP address 66.32.125.192. Wonder if he knows that you can find out a hell of a lot of information, given the right technology, with just a simple IP address....

 
At 11:24 AM, Blogger dlaunt said...

I think you should do a post with your thoughts on MERCOSUR.

 
At 11:59 AM, Anonymous Phantom Commenter said...

Hi everyone- I just want to appologize for all of my phantom comments. White Dade, I only say those things because I'm so jealous of you. You see, I was born with a third nipple, large overbite (actually that doesn't really show anymore, as I only have 2 teeth left), and hairlip. When fully erect, my penis is a mere 3 inches long. I wish that I could get as much ass as you- any ass actually. I live in my mother's basement in Atlanta and have no job. Because I am so hideous, no employer will hire me. So I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. But I am finally ready to reveal my identity. I am Jerry Fallwell's bastard son. Here is my blog address: http://www.bite-my-ass.net/

I will try and get a life soon. Or maybe I should just go back to surfing beastiality porn, since I can't write an intelligent comment to save my life.

 
At 12:25 PM, Anonymous dennis said...

you managed to narrow me down to a whole city. come and get me. i'm finished here anyway. now everybody knows white dade is racist, statutory rapist, drug user, fat girl fucking, deadend job having hater. go noles. continue your gay lovefest and admiration society and i'll see you all in hell.

 
At 11:42 AM, Anonymous J said...

Right on WD. Why any country would want educated, wealthy people moving to their country is beyond me, what with their substantial contributions to the economy etc and all...

Give me poor, soon-to-be-on-welfare immigrants draining our resources any day!

Additionally, basing social policy off of the people's attitudes is a great idea. "Let's see...I have a snobby Argentine landlord...not letting those guys in the country! Also, this Iraqi guy i know is mean...lets invade their country!"
(end sarcasm)

Also this culture of assimilation stuff is a figment of the imagination. Otherwise, we'd all be Algonquin or Puritan. And I'm glad that American culture evolves and isn't a complete assimilation like you desire. There'd be no St Patrick's Day and you would have eaten a 5 lb Steak and Kidney Pie at Sandbar instead of a burrito. And that just ain't cool.

 
At 4:59 PM, Anonymous white dade said...

shut up J. you freakin foreigner. get out of MY country now. you think you're better than me just because you have more money and more educated. let me tap that ass once more before you leave though.

 

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