Tuesday, September 19, 2006

My White Boy

I’m married to a white boy. A white, Jewish boy, actually. And even though I live in Miami, this most multicultural town of ours, there are still times when people act surprised that a Catholic Cubanita who was born in Little Havana would end up with a white Jewish boy from Kendall. I find it both amusing and annoying.

But all right, I’m willing to play the game. I’ve dated Hispanic guys – a bunch of Cuban-Americans like myself, an Argentine, a Brazilian – and Ben was actually the first gringo I dated. Not that I'm proud to even admit this, but it took me a couple of weeks to figure out he wasn't Cuban. And about two months to figure out he was Jewish. How awful - I had known him (albeit socially and always drunkenly) for over two years, and I'd never even considered that he might not be Cuban-American or Hispanic, like all my other friends. Take that as a testament to how very sheltered my upbringing was, with me safely ensconced first in a private school that had reopened here after it had been shut down in Cuba, and then in a private Catholic high school that only served to suck me into the predominantly Hispanic, incestuous social vortex that is Miami Catholic high schools.

So shame on me, dating a guy of a completely different cultural and religious background, and I was clueless. I remember being so taken aback when I found out he was Jewish - did I even know any Jews who weren't also Cuban? But that's his fault - at the time he was so heavily into the situation in Northern Ireland that I had every reason to believe he was Irish Catholic. I know, my ignorance just gets worse, doesn't it?

I have to say that for me, being with a white boy, a non-Catholic one at that, was exotic. I mean, the customs, the food, the funny little sayings - it was all fun and exciting for me. And the best part? Boy did housework. I mean, all the guys I grew up with never had to worry about things like chores, laundry, etc. Their mami took care of it all. That's the major bummer about being a Hispanic woman - the understood rule that women cater to men; they serve their food, wash their clothes, and keep the house clean. That rule never washed with me. My parents raised us to be independent, even as my mother was the principal housekeeper who always served my dad his dinner. Growing up, my mom did those things even though my dad never required her to - it was just understood. And yet, whenever my mom had to work overtime or was sick or tired or simply not there, my dad took perfect care of himself. I chalked up their behavior as old-country, old-school rules they couldn't escape, but I never seriously believed they would ever apply to me, even if I ended up with a Cuban-American (CA) boy. I mean, we were living in the United States at the end of the 20th century, for hell's sake. And then I dated a CA who seriously expected me to have dinner ready and waiting when he got home (assuming we married, and this was regardless of whether or not I had a job and whether or not I got home before him). He also had no inclination to clean a toilet or put his own clothes away. Seriously, there was just no way that kind of servitude would be a real option for me.

And with my discovery of the American boy, I realized there was hope. Here was a man who grasped the concept of "you drop it, you pick it up" and "if you're hungry, get off your ass and do something about it." Here was someone who couldn't even fathom the concept that my worthiness as a partner, never mind a wife, was not measured by how well I kept house or how willing I was to serve him his dinner and fetch him his beer. This boy did his laundry when he ran out of clothes, cooked his own food when he was hungry (not to mention the meals he cooked to woo and impress me, that in itself earning him major points), and picked up his own clutter. This is not to say that settling down with a white boy meant I had no household responsibilities - it just meant I wasn't going to carry the load all by myself. I hate to do dishes; in fact, I specifically told him, when he proposed, that I wouldn't do dishes on a regular basis. And so, he does the dishes and I clean the bathroom, his least favorite chore.

But all right, I need to be PC about this, so please don't get me wrong: I'm not hating on the CA boys. I've known some wonderful, cool CA's, and some of them did not at all buy into the whole macho bullshit. They are as modern and equitable as their white-boy counterparts. But in my experience, these boys are in the minority; or, the minute they shack up with a girl, find themselves playing the role their father played at home, sometimes even to their own amazement. That's true of any culture, though, so I can't exactly fault them for that. And as it is, I know that plenty of white boys are just as Neanderthal and backwards about helping out around the house as any other cultural group. So really, it all boils down to the individual, but whatever.

Either way, I think the fact that Ben is Jewish also played a big role in us being able to relate to each other despite our differences. He grew up next door to a Cuban family and in Kendall, so it’s not like he wasn’t exposed to my kind since his childhood. And since he’s not one of those people who hates on Hispanics because they’re different or “taking over” Miami (you know, a racist), it's not like he had some major internal battle going on inside him when we started to date. With Jews, though, there's another dynamic, and it's not the whole "Jews are supposed to marry other Jews" thing, because that just didn't register with him, and his family never harped on that. It turns out that Cubans and Jews are very much alike - to be totally stereotypical (but completely right), both groups normally come from large extended families and are very family-centered and have turned guilt and melodrama into an exquisite art form.

Still, he also hasn’t been immune to the drawbacks of being a minority in a predominantly Hispanic city. He's had to deal with people insulting him because he couldn’t understand something or respond. He’s also had to deal with nasty co-workers who talk shit about him in Spanish right in front of him, unaware that he can understand what they’re saying (these are also the same co-workers who used to insist he join in while they said grace and praised Jesus during office parties, and who would spend the day singing hymns and saying shit like “I love you, Jesus” as they went about their workday). But as I point out to him, he’s currently in his dream job, making the kind of money that will allow me to buy as many shoes and boots as I want, so ultimately, being a gringo had no negative effect on his job prospects. And it never will, in Miami or anywhere else. That may not be true for all the white people, but you know what? We're all subjected to all manner of insults and bullshit at work, and we all cope somehow.

But thanks to Ben, I’ve gotten a better understanding of the frustrations the non-Hispanics here feel. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve witnessed him trying to get customer service (in English), only to have the person continue in Spanish, and then actually getting annoyed because he can’t understand. The worst offenders are in Burdines/Macys (oh yeah, I’m calling them out!). They'll do it to anyone, because when I approach them in English, they barrel on in Spanish. Like, I don't look "American" at all, but WTF - I could be Italian or Middle Eastern for all they know. That's not just rude, it's unacceptable. Ben's a fair guy, and if he sees the person struggling in English - but still trying nonetheless - he'll say some words in Spanish and together they hash it out. I love that about him. And I can empathize, because Lord knows that if I lived anywhere but here, people would call me Mexican and treat me like a half-wit, or something just as ignorantly humiliating and awful. Not that being called Mexican is awful, it's just incredibly ignorant and ridiculous.

So we live our lives trying to understand where we come from and figuring out how to navigate life in a world where we have to deal with ignorance and prejudice. That's right, we open each other's eyes to humanity's stupidity and ignorance, just like in the movies. And how do we battle the ignorance, the hate, and the close-mindedness? We procreate. So that our mixed-culture, mixed-religion children may help create a new breed of human so mixed, that one day no one will be just Cuban. Or just Jewish. Or just Catholic. Or just white.

43 Comments:

At 2:30 PM, Blogger White Dade said...

I woudl just like to than kTere for this glowing commendation of Jewish white boys. I should introduce you to my friend Ashburnite, you and her seem to see eye to eye on this subject. And most Latin girls I know who've seriously dated white boys say the same thing: We are much more equitable in our views of women. White guys, for the most part, will treat you better. Yet another reason for me to prooudly state that latin culture is completely backwards. Now I have the feminists on my side too!

 
At 2:44 PM, Anonymous rumandpopcorn said...

Even with a guest blogger, WD finds a way to get a shot in.

Actually, Tere makes a good point about while generalizations may be true, it's all about the individuals. so you never know.

But generalizations are easier.

 
At 2:50 PM, Blogger Captain Caveman said...

Without any kind of introduction, this post fucked up my world.

 
At 2:50 PM, Blogger Rachel said...

Great post Tere. Neanderthals who expect women do all of the housework, care for the kids and have a full time job while they work and then come home and sit on their ass drinking beer don't even qualify for man status.
The only way that I was able to relate to some of this post is due to WD blogging about life in Miami so I guess in his own way WD is bringing knowledge to the blogosphere.

 
At 3:14 PM, Blogger Tere said...

What I failed to mention in my post is that the white boys, whether they admit it or not, love the Hispanic girls for their "exotic" factor. It may be less prevalent in Miami where we're in the majority, but if she's pretty, sweet and not a blue-eyed blonde, they're all over her in a heartbeat.

Plus, like all men, they want to be babied and soon realize that Hispanic girls are trained to baby their men, so when they feel bad or sick and are whiny little bitches, we come in and baby their asses just to shut them up.

 
At 3:19 PM, Blogger Yvette said...

Excellent, Tere.

On behalf of we multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-religious, multi-cultural people everywhere, I thank you. :-)

 
At 3:44 PM, Anonymous Florida Hater said...

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

 
At 4:20 PM, Blogger minijonb said...

Could we kick off the slacker who's been posting here and get you and Ben to take over White Dade?
=;-)
I'm joking, W.D. ... still love ya.

 
At 4:42 PM, Anonymous G said...

Umm, aren't you white, too? "Hispanic" is just an ethnic/cultural denomination, not a racial category. You can be hispanic AND white, making you white-hispanic. You can also be black-hispanic, or biracial-hispanic. This is how the census defines it. In fact, the vast majority of hispanics (and Cubans)nationwide and in Miami are white. Just throwing that out there.

 
At 5:04 PM, Anonymous m said...

g, i'm not sure we should be letting the census bureau define who we are. the term hispanic itself is a construct. us hispanics only exist in the US of A 'cause back where we each came from we were Cuban or Dominican or Panamanian or whatever.

as for your generalization that the vast majority of hispanics in this country are white, i'm not so sure that we'd all agree with being called as much even if we're on the pale side. ask a chicano in texas if he or she is white, or better yet, ask his/her anglo neighbor. in today's multi-hued society, race can be a matter of perception or definition. white and black, even biracial, just don't cut it for everybody.

if tere considers herself not-white, then let's respect that and not try to force her into a census checkbox.

 
At 5:13 PM, Anonymous sgg said...

Does Ben have a brother? And if so, does he want a nice Jewish girl? Or is he too looking for the "exotic" girl?

 
At 5:16 PM, Blogger Dayngr said...

That was a fan-friggin-tastic post. I actually laughed out loud at the end when I opened the baby's photo and it said "spawn of the mixed races". Tere you are a riot girl!

Captain Caveman's comment made me laugh too. I can only imagine his face after those first few sentences.

 
At 5:41 PM, Blogger White Dade said...

I have to disagree with that. I have never found "exotic" women attractive. Quite the contrary. I Looooove blonde girls with blue eyes. I actually am pretty much at a point that I can't date a girl that doesn't fit into that category. Call me shallow. that is really the only comment I can respond to since, you know, I didn't really write this post.

 
At 6:06 PM, Anonymous G said...

M, I understand what you mean and I am absolutely trying to be respectful here. With that said, I also understand that the census isn't perfect. However, if you do your research you'll see my statement was not a generalization; according to the census, the vast majority of hispanics in the U.S. are "white". Even geography/anthropology professors I've taken at FIU consider the vast majority of Cubans in Miami to be "white".

I'm sure there's Chicanos in Texas or Arizona that may scoff at being "white", and I'm sure there's some racist "anglos" out there that would not consider that Chicano in Texas "white" either. However, a lot of Chicanos are of Amerindian decent, which is considered "non-white".

Just because a Spaniard or other European immigrates to a Caribbean island and then their descendents to America doesn't mean they somehow are now "non-white".

So let me ask you this, M, what's the difference between an Italian-American and a Cuban American with the same complexion?

 
At 6:48 PM, Blogger Tere said...

Well G, if you saw my pic, I'm sure you can tell that yes, I'm white. But reality is that to the rest of America, by and large, I am Hispanic, or incredibly incorrectly, "Latin" and that's about it. "White people" see me as Hispanic before they see me as white.

Come on, can you honestly say Anglos generally look at Mexicans and Venezuelans and Puerto Ricans and Cubans and refer to them as "white"?

 
At 6:49 PM, Blogger Freckle Face Girl said...

I LOVE that there is a baby picture, especially after WD's last post!!!!

 
At 7:43 PM, Anonymous G said...

First of all, Tere, "Anglo" refers to people of English ancestry; it's easily as ridiculous a denomination as "Latin". Caucasian Americans are definitely not all Anglos. By using "Anglos" in that context, you're implying that that non-Hispanic whites are some sort of generic race, which is not true in the least. Caucasians are as diverse ethnically as Hispanics; Greeks and Italians are very different from English or Irish.

I agree with you that the "Latin" denomination is ridiculous, however.

I think you missed the point about how "white" people view Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, etc. They're viewed as Hispanic first because that is the collective term for people who trace their ancestry to the Spanish-speaking countries of the Western Hemisphere. Your statement generalizes the people of each of these countries like they're all of the same race; if a Venezuelan is dark-skinned than obvisouly they probably aren't white. My Venezuelan friend is mixed race, and he'll be the first to tell you that. My friends and I will refer to him as Hispanic first, though, because ethnicity is not as obvious (visually) as race.

It would not be fair of me to speculate on how much you've been out of Miami, but if you've ever been in other ethnic neighborhoods that don't exist here, such as South Philly or Boston's North End, you'd see that local blacks, Hispanics of any race, and other caucasians will usually refer to people from these neighborhoods as "Italian" first, not white. This is because it's fairly obvious visually that these people are white, so to help identify them further they are first referred to as Italians, just like a black Cuban in Little Havana will be called "Cuban" first, for identification purposes. This is probably exaggerated even further in Miami because Hispanics outnumber non-Hispanics by such a large percentage - it's easy for a black or white guy to refer to Hispanics because there are so many different countries that immigrants in Miami are from. Do you understand my point?

 
At 8:19 PM, Anonymous m said...

g, the difference between an italian american and a cuban american is time and politics. For many, many decades, italians and irish immigrants weren't considered white. they "became" white when it was convenient for those who were already white politically, socially, economically. white is not just the color of your skin in this country. it's not scientific fact but something loaded with history and meaning. (See Working Toward Whiteness: How America's Immigrants Become White. The Strange Journey from Ellis Island to the Suburbs by David R. Roediger and other books by this author on "whiteness" as a social construct).

while the majority of cubans in the US might be "white," we're not even 5% of the hispanic population in this country. just because the census says the majority of hispanics in the US are white doesn't make it so. when asked to check off a box, a hispanic may choose white from a list of choices. but that doesn't mean that when asked "what are you," the answer would be "white hispanic." it would probably be boricua or chicano or cuban-american. the point is that it's about identity, how you see yourself and how others see you, and not the shade of your skin.

and g, if you're going to talk about doing research, i suggest you look at other sources beyond the census. race, culture, ethnicity, identity - they're not just check boxes on a form.

from a cuban-american born in miami and who lived in new orleans and boston for 8 years

 
At 9:59 PM, Blogger Yvette said...

G: While it's true that the census bureau has it's six major racial classifications, Tere's post is about the ethnic cultural divides in Miami. So, the census classifications are really irrelevant here.

The hispanic/non-hispanic thing has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture and ethnicity.

Plus, I just got back to Miami after 18 years in Boston and the only ethnicity I have ever heard referred to in real life is, "Southie".8-)

 
At 10:15 PM, Anonymous G said...

M, that was a good response to my question, and it largely answered it. I have done plenty of other research, read several books (including the Strange Journey), and studied race in college. Yes, some Irish were stupidly referred to as "non-white", but the majority of the hate towards the Irish was directed at their religion, amongst other issues such as a reputation to be dirty, drunk, sell-outs to political bosses for votes, etc.

It was the Italians that were widely considered "non-white" during the second great migration (hence slurs like "guinea") because many of them had slightly olive complexions (looked exactly like many modern Hispanics), and it was reasoned they had black blood in them because of Moorish conquest in the Southern Italian peninsula centuries ago.

I never said the majority of Hispanics in the US were of Cuban decent. Furthermore, I understand the Census and they are not asking you to check off ethnicity - as I hinted above, what about Greeks or Italians...it sounds like you are implying that Hispanics should have a choice but a Greek or Italians shouldn't be able to check "Mediterranean" off if there was such a category.

Look, if the tables were turned here and a black Hispanic was saying that they weren't black, I'm sure there would be a lot of black folks questioning why someone who was obviously black refused to identify that way. This is a similar case. Yes, I understand the politics, but it's still like this: I'm Italian-American, consider myself white; theoretically, with little appreciable difference between the race of a Cuban American originally decended from Spain and an Italian American decended from Italy, it still seems that many Cuban Americans refuse to be deemed "white", while most Italian-Americans have long accepted it. It's like these "white" Cuban Americans are giving off the vibe that "we don't want to be white". This is especially true if your "identity doctrine" is correct (which I believe it SHOULD be).

Also, I don't know how many Cuban-American girls I know that have parents that would drop dead if they ever brought a black guy home. So, if these Cuban Americans aren't "white", than it seems unusual that the conservative parents will allow their daughter to date a white guy but would never allow them to date a black guy. That doesn't make any sense.

To finish this long comment, I just want to add that I am sort of playing the devil's advocate, here. I completely agree with you that race is ambiguous, the census isn't perfect, and that people should identify however they choose. Unfortunately, this country has long institued a "for us or against us" type mentality when it comes to race - and I think this is an example of a potential reaction when someone chooses against a race that it appears they are apart of. I think dialogue like this can help ethnic groups that are very different culturally understand what each other are thinking.

 
At 10:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, Yvette, Southies definitely get more attention because there are so many more Irish in Boston than Italians. South Philly was a better example, I suppose. Anyway, I know about the census and I understand Tere's post with the cultural conflict between a Jewish guy and a Cuban American girl and the religious conflict, etc.

I was just struck by how someone who appears as white as her identified so strongly as "non-white". As I stated above, I'm trying to play devil's advocate and understand how different people view this matter.

 
At 7:28 AM, Blogger Tere said...

G, you're looking at the "white" aspect of my post as a color thing, when it's way more than that. I'm white in race, yet I have never, ever been considered "white" when I've traveled. I've always gotten the "you're ethnic" line. You know full well that we live in a world of "white" America and the "minorities" (I mean, take a look at the title of this blog, for hell's sake). And if you really need a specific answer, then for me, when I say "white," I'm talking about people so far removed (by generation or inclination) from their country of origin, that they themselves don't consider themselves German-American, Polish-American, etc.

I'm done splitting hairs over this, because it seems to me that everyone else got what I was trying to say.

 
At 7:39 AM, Blogger aikin said...

good post, tere. I'm glad you were able to see beyond your upbringing. Many of the Latin girls I meet say they will not date white guys. I'm happy for you and your family and pleased that not all Latin girls are that shallow.

 
At 8:44 AM, Blogger imaginaryconversations said...

I see a lot of similarities between this and white guys dating Asian girls here in Canada (and in Silicon Valley). Lots of guys go for the "exotic" factor. Asian girls who were born in China confirm that Chinese guys (again, born there) have more sexist attitudes - the wife is expected to cook, and do all other kinds of home stuff.

And "white" here is not referring to the skin colour, or race, although this is admittedly incorrect. It's used as an ethnic, cultural term.

 
At 9:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once again another stupid post. If your run one sentence was meant to be funny, it was not. If it was meant to be educational, it was not. If it was meant to shock me, it didn't.

White Dade's blog is like his ego; an inflated mess with a false sense of security. Egos are meant for people who do big things in life. Using a college degree to train the local senior citizens is no exactly setting the world on fire.

And damn girl, I am suprised any boy would date you. You look like the love child of Richard Lewis and Roseanne Barr.

 
At 9:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

g.,
I am a female 'white' American. My father always said that he would be okay if I brought home a black guy... as long as he was Jewish!!

 
At 10:06 AM, Blogger Robert said...

The United States is probably the only country in the world where a fully Caucasian person such as Tere (and most of her fellow Cuban-Americans) would not be considered "white". Of course, I am talking strictly about races here, which is ultimately what being white is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing my beloved country. But you have to admit that when it comes to racial/ethnic identification, we're all screwed up.

 
At 10:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fact that 99.9% of your morons have time to think about this useless garbage is amazing.

 
At 11:12 AM, Blogger Robert said...

The fact that you have time to respond to us morons is even more amazing, oh brave anonymous one.

 
At 11:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Administrative clerks perform clerical and administrative duties incident to general and operational administration utilizing manual and Automated Information Systems (AIS). Administrative clerks must possess knowledge of the Marine Corps Total Force System (MCTFS), and Marine Corps standard word processing and database software packages. Typical duties consist of the preparation of naval correspondence and messages; preparation and maintenance of directives; preparation of travel orders, completion of general administrative requirements such as leave authorizations, identification cards, and preparation and maintenance of command unit punishment books. Other duties performed may overlap those performed by personnel clerks. These include auditing field service records, verifying information contained in unit diary feedback reports/personnel management reports, preparation of discharge and retirement documents, and verifying the accuracy of information contained in the MCTFS databases. Administrative clerks may also be assigned to support the administration of military justice to staff level billets, and to perform duties within a Classified Material Control Center (CMCC), or in the unit's mailroom. Knowledge required to perform the duties and tasks of these assignments are obtained through MOJT. MOS 0151 is assigned upon completion of the Administrative Clerk Course or upon demonstrating satisfactory performance during MOJT.

 
At 1:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert,

Go kill yourself and help save social security for future generations. I forgot that all of your brave users who post with a first name only or post with a nickname are so brave. Post your full name, address, pic, phone number and then open your dick sucking mouth. Until then asshole we are all ANONYMOUS. Don't make me post a definition asshole.

As Kayne West said with a few of my own choice words...

"You bloggers don't want a problem with me, what you bloggers could get is a job from me."

Now go back to watching Sex in the City reruns Robert.

The Brave ANON

 
At 2:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK. If this poser-wannabe simply posts what his MOS was in the Marine Corps Reserves (and I'll know if he's lying) I will never post here again.

 
At 3:20 PM, Blogger imaginaryconversations said...

I agree with the fact that we're all anonymous, but it's hard to tell you "Anonymous"es apart when you all have the same name!

 
At 4:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reservist POG White Dade plays up his whole "Shecky Green of the Marine Corps" schtick then tries to fool people into thinking that a Jewish Marine is some sort of zany abberation (sitcom pitch?? puke.)

I figured I'd provide some examples that show some Marines, who happen to be Jews, who took it a bit more seriously:

MICHAEL RYAN COHEN, 23, was from Jacobus, Pennsylvania. He was assigned to 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division, III Marine Expeditionary Force, Marine Corps Base Hawaii. Cohen was shot and killed in combat Nov. 22, 2004, in Al Anbar province near Fallujah in Iraq. He was hit by small-arms fire and died before reaching a nearby hospital.

Marine lst Lieutenant ANDREW STERN was killed September 16, 2004 during fighting near Fallujah, Iraq. He was just weeks away from his rotation home. Stern was a member of Bravo Company, 1st Tank Battalion, 1st Regimental Combat Team, 1st Marine Division, based at the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center in Twentynine Palms, California.

Marine Sgt. ALAN D. SHERMAN, B Company of the 6th Engineer Support Battalion, based in Dover, PA., was killed on June 29, 2004, along with two other soldiers, when a bomb exploded near the front of his convoy. This was his unit's reported second tour of duty in Iraq. Sherman, an Ocean Township, New Jersey resident, was described at his Jewish funeral "as a Marine with a soft heart." He was the father of two young sons.

Marine Cpl. DUSTIN SCHRAGE, 20, of Indian Harbor, Florida, died in Iraq on May 6, 2004. While his death is still under investigation, it is believed that he drowned while swimming across a river in the Anbar province during a mission. Schrage, who had been in Iraq for a year, was a member of the 2nd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force.

Marine Cpl. MARK ASHER EVNIN, 21, of South Burlington, Vermont, died in Iraq on April 3, 2003, of wounds received in action. He was a scout sniper with the 3/4 of the 1st Marine Division at 29 Palms, California.

 
At 5:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know why, but something about this post I found vaguely offensive. And I normally don;t find ANYTHING offensive.

 
At 8:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last Anonymous-Just curious how could you tell those men were Jewish? Did you just take a guess based on the names? Goes along with the theme of the post.

 
At 7:56 AM, Anonymous Brett said...

To the angry (who likes to refer to himself as brave) anonymous:

Don't kill anyone you deranged fuck.

 
At 8:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

White Dade will never answer questions about his real life because he likes to hide in this pathetic blog that he thinks people find amusing. The guy is a tool who couldn't hack it in the real world so he became a personal trainer. And to think he called someone clueless for wanting to attend lawschool.

Once again, FU White Dade!

 
At 9:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BTW,

I will now be known as ANON 1 so you guys won't get confused. Wanted to let you know that I was fucking White Dade's mom last night and after she finished licking my ass, I donkey punched her for the hell of it. That bitch got all upset and told me that WD would kick my ass. I told her to fuck off, stole her box of Fruity Pebbles and got the fuck out of dodge. White Dade, tell your mom to chill out.

 
At 10:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And TERE, I think you need to have a dradle shoved up your ass while being bitch slapped with a piece of Matzah bread!

Dradle, dradle, dradle, I made mine out of clay.

Dradle, dradle, dradle, shoved up TERE's ass all day.

ANON 1

 
At 12:56 AM, Blogger Captain Caveman said...

I served with Andy Stern. I've been to his grave in Arlington, before he even had a headstone. He was just a boot Lt when he shipped to Iraq. I knew him for several months, and I'm friends with his best friend from Bravo Company Tanks. His religion never once came up in the months that I knew him, and (perhaps because he was fair-haired and blue-eyed) I never made any assumptions about his religion.

This isn't to say what religion he was -- perhaps if the government was faster with the headstones a Star of David could have tipped me off -- but I, too, am curious about Anonymous's sources.

 
At 9:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"His religion never once came up in the months that I knew him"

thats my whole point - the Marine Corps isn't about that kind of thing. Thats why its obnoxious and insulting to both Jews and the Corps - for this guy to mine the whole "Jewish Marine schtick" for comedy material while a war is going on (albiet one he opted out of)

as for my source - Jewish World Review published a piece, by Nate Bloom, about Jewish service people killed in Iraq.

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Marine lst Lieutenant ANDREW STERN was killed September 16, 2004 during fighting near Fallujah, Iraq. He was just weeks away from his rotation home. Stern was a member of Bravo Company, 1st Tank Battalion, 1st Regimental Combat Team, 1st Marine Division, based at the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center in Twentynine Palms, California.

His parents, Richard and Ellen, found out about their son's death when they found two Marines in dress uniforms waiting for them as they returned to their Germantown, Tennessee home after Rosh Hashana services.

Funeral services were held at Memphis' Temple Israel and Stern was later buried in Arlington National Cemetery. Besides his parents, he was survived by two younger brothers.

Andrew Stern mostly grew up in Arlington Heights, a Chicago suburb. A childhood friend told a Chicago-area newspaper, "He was an energetic kid, always on the go, the loudest kid on the block," Lowey said. "You always knew when Andy was on the block."

He went to Culver Military Academy in Indiana, graduating in 1998. His rowing coach at Culver, said Stern "was a team player who was concerned about others and wanted to helped them along." Stern spent four years on the rowing team and was a co-captain in his senior year, when he was on the quadruple scull team that won the Midwest Scholastic Rowing Championship. That led to an invitation to the U.S. Rowing Youth Invitational Championship. Stern went on to be captain of the college rowing team at the University of Tennessee.

His family re-located to Germantown, Tennessee when his father had a job transfer. Andrew Stern attended the University of Tennessee, where he joined the Marines, in 2001, through the "Platoon Leaders Corps." He got his officer's commission in December, 2001.

His father told the Associated Press, "He was rambunctious from the get-go. But he became as good a son as there could be."

His mother said, "He chose a path that I would not have chosen for him, but I was very proud of him just the same....He was a challenging child. He definitely challenged us. Very active. Kept us very busy, inquisitive, bright. He had a mind of his own. He learned to challenge all of those skills into becoming a wonderful leader."

His mother noted that just before her son shipped out he said that "he appreciated people's prayers for his safety, but added, 'If you're going to pray for me, pray for my platoon. It's very important to me to bring my platoon home.'"

Sadly, Lt. Stern never had a chance to ride a brand new Harley-Davidson motorcycle that was waiting for him at home after his tour in Iraq ended.

 
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