Monday, October 16, 2006

Thoughts on the 305 Throwdown

Yes, I was there. And I wish I could give everyone here a better account than you’ve seen replayed on SportsCenter and/or the Local News 800 times over the past two days. But I can’t. See, by the time the third quarter rolled around, I was a little past drunk. I was to the point that I was falling off the Orange Bowl bleachers and would not sit down for fear of passing out. Because save for that third quarter brawl, the game was pretty much a snoozer.

At the time, it just looked like your typical bench-clearing melee that happens from time to time at sporting events. From the student section, you really couldn’t tell that helmets were flying and people were getting stomped. But, oh, did the crowd go crazy. The most noise I have heard out of the Orange Bowl all year. And what do you expect when you have two teams full of guys from Miami playing football? It’s a cross-town rivalry in a city where it is easier to get into a fight than it is to get a hamburger. Call it Latin Machismo, call it the heat, or call it Miami being a disgusting place, but people here love to throw down. So, really, nobody should be surprised that when you put two football teams on the field from a city where everyone loves to brawl that this would happen. The AD’s really should have had more foresight.

Given the fact that your typical Miamian is usually going around daring someone to question his masculinity, it should also be no surprise that the crowd of over 50,000 (pretty good for UM) was electrified by the on-field madness. But I realized something as I watched the replays of this brawl over 50 times since I left the game: Cane fans are not the only ones who are bloodthirsty. It’s actually pretty much everybody. Commentators (except Lamar Thomas) and students and administrators all love to give lip service to this being a “travesty” and “unacceptable” but in reality, everybody loves watching a good fight.

Think about it: If this were such a disgusting display, would it be replayed more than the highlights from, say, the #2 team in America being beaten? Or a baseball championship series? No, of course not. Networks aren’t stupid. They trot their anchors and pundits out to say how awful the fight is, but they know that showing a guy hitting another in the head with a helmet gets ratings. So for them, it really isn’t that much of a travesty, is it? Similarly, would anyone give a rats ass about UM football this year if it weren’t for that fight? Dare I say this game would have garnered nothing more than a score on the bottom of the screen somewhere between the Bethune Cookman game and the Dartmouth-Colgate result had it not featured a brawl worthy of a tunnel in South Bend. But now, good or bad, UM is back in the national spotlight. And as far as this program is concerned, any publicity is good publicity. That’s the Miami way.

But my point is further than this: While a lot of people will like to put down fights in sports like the Pistons-Pacers brawl a couple of years ago or this one, they are, in fact, good for the games. Why? Because it keeps people watching. It keeps people interested. It keeps people watching highlight shows that they would otherwise turn off. If for no other reason than to watch a man stomp another man on the ground and react with a chorus of “Ooooh, shit! Did you see that?” I really do love how the media and the administration act politically correct in denouncing sports fights. Like it or not, fans love them. They go to a game hoping to see one, and watch endless replays of them on TV afterwards. And then talk about them for days. Hockey takes the right approach so long as no one paralyzed. I suggest the other major sports stop lying to themselves and embrace fighting for what it is: A beneficial sideshow to an otherwise dull game. Here’s looking forward to next year’s 305 throwdown. You bet your ass the Golden Panthers will be out for blood.

33 Comments:

At 4:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Way to spin a bunch of classless thugs using a football game to incite a gang war. I love how UM players were just out defending their team. So stomping on someone when they are down is self-defense? Using a helmet as a weapon is self-defense. Lamar Thomas stating that he wish he could get all up in the brawl was self defense?

UM players have always and will always be the most classless thugs that one can recruit. Why? Because the program is too important to the school. Why is the Orange Bowl still in da hood? Because all of the UM players and fans feel at home. Like FSU. UF and UM, half of the fans didn't even graduate from their school that they root for and the other half barely graduated college.

Attitude reflects leadership and UM is a perfect example.

Larry Joker will be gone soon and "the program" will continue to slide unless they hire a coach who lets his players get away with murder. Ray Lewis anyone.

I thought this post was coming. Too bad the spin was lame.

ANON 1

 
At 4:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ummmmmm...Go Canes? It makes me long for the days when that guy from 2 Live Crew paid players for touchdowns, sacks, and concussions.

 
At 4:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I gotta whole-heartedly disagree. I never went to a Penn State game hoping to see a brawl breakout between a bunch of guys getting paid to go to school even though they can barely read (and I taught some of them, I know for a fact that some can barely read).

I want to see a good game. Win or lose, just show me a close score and some good effort. Is it cool to see Poz jack some dude? Sure. Everyone loves a big hit. But wanting to see a fight breakout is never on my list.

I have a lack of respect for so many football players (excluding PSU and referencing mostly FSU and UM) as it is, this fight, to me, was utterly atrocious. I mean, literally kicking a man while he's down? Give me a break Dade, you can't justify that.

And by the way, when do you care about good ratings? Last I heard, you hated basketball because of all the commercials - you think football won't eventually go down that road?

 
At 4:30 PM, Anonymous rumandpopcorn said...

Well, this has to be the most pub Florida International has ever gotten, right? I admit, I hadn't heard of them until Saturday night.
So it's not a total loss for them.

Oh, I'm also loving the 'discipline' for the Miami players. "You're suspended for the Duke game next week. There goes your chance to pad your stats...that'll learn ya!"

 
At 4:35 PM, Anonymous Johnson said...

To be fair, FIU did try to basically murder a 3rd string back-up QB who was holding on an extra point. Do I condone Anthony Reddick coming in an swinging his helmet? No. However, nobody is taking into accout that they started it. You rile up a bunch of 20 year old kids by beating on their teammate and that's what you get.

On the one hand I'm sorry this all happened, but on the other, if this results in Coker being shown the door that much quicker, than Anthony Reddick should hit more people with his helmet. Coker was able to get away with having a mediocre team for so long by at least saying we were a respectable team. Not anymore.

 
At 4:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I gotta whole-heartedly disagree. I never went to a Penn State game hoping to see a brawl breakout"

Well, that's because Penn State is filled with a bunch of pussies

-acabrera

 
At 4:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coker had a medicore team for many reasons. He does not have the recruiting or coaching skills to be a head coach. Coker was given a championship team and when all of those players left he couldn't do anything. Also, Coker enforces so rules at Miami. If Davis was there, William Williams would be starting right now.

And who cares if FIU started it. The FIU cornerback punched an offensive lineman. The lineman could have walked away from the punch but he retaliated and the whole fight go out of control.

And talk about mudering people? Hitting someone with a helmet and stomping on someone is twice as bad as tackling someone and landing some weak punches. What these morons forget is that if you punch someone with a helmet on it hurts your more then them. But using a helmet to hit people and using a spiked cleat to stomp one someone is worse.

Typical Miami fan response. They started it. Well you know what? Winners walk away and are the better men. Losers, like 99.9 % of UM and FIU players turn a football game into a turf war.

UM is best summed up by that idiot Lamar Thomas. Dey across da ocean?

The schools are 9 miles apart. Go back and retake geography.

And UM fans cheering? Yeah, that's real classy. Next time, follow those thugs into the ghetto and cheer when they rob someone.

And since the NCCA cleaned up its' act, Miami will never be a powerhouse again. The days of recruiting thugs are slowly fading away.

Good thing you and Jenn Sterger were not at that game. She would have taken the opportunity to knock the ugly out of you.

ANON1

 
At 4:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Penn State is filled with a bunch of pussies?

One question for you Acabrera, do you even go to UM? Or are you another one of those UM fans who saves his paychecks fore 10 weeks, buys a jersey and goes to one homegame?

UM will never touch the PSU legacy.

I would love to see POZ take out one of the UM thugs.

 
At 5:01 PM, Blogger minijonb said...

sorry Dade, the Pistons-Pacers brawl was not good for the game of pro basketball, and this wasn't good for college football. the only thing that saved this from being a total disaster was that the brawl didn't spill out into the stands.

it will temporarily raise awareness of a school like FIU and increase the notority of the UM program, but did anyone really need that?

 
At 5:11 PM, Anonymous Johnson said...

"The days of recruiting thugs are slowly fading away."

That's a good joke. Lots of teams recruit borderline retards who are only in school b/c they can catch a football. I know for a fact that no less a bastion of academic integrity known as UVa has people with double digit IQ's playing for them. For the record, I hate the fact that this brawl happened. It casts my alma mater in a terrible light and I know that every reporter is going to jump on the chance to rip UM. But again, you rile up a bunch of 20 year old kids by trying to injure a walk-on, that's what you get. If anyone thinks this wouldn't happen if say, Auburn tried to knock out UF's back-up QB on a meaningless play, then you're retarded.

In any case, I do agree with you Anon1 in that Coker needs to be gone sooner rather than later. All he's done is field mediocre teams and drag this university down. Any coach that pretty much pisses his pants before playing someone while having the team we had in 2001 isn't worthy of being at UM.

 
At 5:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The days of Miami recruiting thugs are slowly fading. This isn't the 80's and the NCAA has a very close eye on that program.

How is Match.com working for you?

 
At 5:23 PM, Anonymous Johnson said...

"The days of Miami recruiting thugs are slowly fading. This isn't the 80's and the NCAA has a very close eye on that program."

How's being a dickhead working out for you? So are you going to address my point or degenerate into personal attacks?

 
At 5:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is your point? Of course there are colleges with highly intelligent athletes. I would say Miami is not one of them. It would take three Miami football players combined to score above a 100 on an IQ test. Don't they combine at least two player's SAT tests to determine if they are eligble or not?

What is your point? One guy threw a punch so that should result in a Bloods vs. Crips war. Next time I am in Miami, I will watch my hand movements.

Love,

Dickhead

 
At 5:49 PM, Blogger Johnny said...

That fight was HILARIOUS, if only because no one was seriously injured as far as I know. This was a schoolyard brawl. As I would guess that most PSU players can read. Miami - maybe not.

 
At 6:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merriweather looked like Lemmiwinks on the field.

 
At 6:17 PM, Anonymous J said...

ahh the ignorant. Certainly you guys are free to express your opinions, but unfortunately the ol' inconvenient facts get in the way sometimes.

UM actually has higher than minimum standards for athletes. Many UM boosters blame this for our recent decline (I disagree, intelligent players are to your benefit), but the truth is that many cannot live up to our qualification standards and go elsewhere. NC State's current RB is one, several Louisville players, FSU etc.

We are head and shoulders above the majority of college football for graduation rates and academic statistics for athletics. Most Big 10, Big East, and Big 12 schools cannot say the same.

Hate on us for being crappy at football or for defending our players (albeit violently), but you've got the academic shit all wrong.

 
At 6:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

J - Maybe UM is trying to impose more stringent rules on their players, more power to them if they are. But I can recall a certain TA who had two failing football players in his class. He got a call from the athletic department to change their grades. I'm guess since I didn't, they were able to "late drop" the class.

I'm honestly not trying to bash UM. I do have a degree from there after all, and, my program is the best in the nation. It would just be nice to not be embarassed by the athletics department and Shalala's wet-noodle apologies and punishments for more than an off-season.

 
At 7:51 PM, Anonymous miamicansukadick said...

first, let's all agree that penn state sucks. second, let's all agree that the miami football program is a joke.

Miami is an NFL Factory with a fan base of rich white guys that never went there and spanish people that can't afford to go there.

so basically you have a bunch of new yorkers that want to spend 4 years down in the sun, spend $40K a year, and then move back to NYC to tell all their friends about going to Mansion and Bed for 4 years while hooking up with raul and pablo.

the winner of all of this...FIU.

 
At 8:23 PM, Blogger aikin said...

Hey! Not to get tangential, but Texas A&M cracked the Top 25 for the first time in 2 years.

 
At 8:33 PM, Anonymous J said...

Certainly we have many fans who live in the city but did not attend the university. This happens nowhere else in the country, especially not places like Notre Dame etc.

Joke = 5 national championships in 23 years

 
At 10:40 PM, Anonymous miamicansukadick said...

if it were only about winning.

your "fans" can't even fill the orange bowl. the fan base is equivalent to that of a crappy NFL team (ie the dolphins).

all about the U! hahahahahaha.

i'd go into the U standing for Uneducated but that's so true it's not even funny

 
At 9:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-Please post statistics to back your claims up.

I highly doubt your claims. Next time, post some facts to back up your opinions.

ANON1

 
At 9:54 AM, Anonymous Johnson said...

So there's a group on facebook.com called "UM football, unranked but we will kick your ass in a fight" and I noticed that Lance Leggett joined it. The same Lance Leggett who was seen short-arming passes in the Peach Bowl last year to avoid taking a big hit. God, I can't wait till Coker gets canned this year and we can get some sort of respectability back.

 
At 9:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If by respectability you mean recruiting criminals and breaking every NCAA rule in the book, it will never happen again. Miami knows it is on thin ice.

Is anyone hiring? Lamar Thomas is looking for a job!

ANON1

 
At 10:27 AM, Blogger angel, jr. said...

I miss being almost passed out drunk at a sporting event.

 
At 12:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This whole incident with FIU is just more evidence for why I hate Kendall.

 
At 12:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does Kendall have to do with a UM-FIU football fight?

 
At 1:07 PM, Anonymous Bill said...

White Dade, I was watching the #2 team in all the land beat themselves, when this happened but did see it on the highlights and hunted it down on the internet. With all this technology and all this information no one has said what started it can you help a Gator fan out?

 
At 2:57 PM, Blogger White Dade said...

Anon1 - Thugs make good football palyers. Period. Miami is just recruiting the wrong ones and not coaching the mwell enough.

SW - Yeah. then they fought REAL teams like USC and Notre Dame

Andy - That's my point..people in South florida are fighters. that's just how it is so nobody should be surprised. St. Colelge is a little different.

Ali - When you get paid for your stats, yes, that is a punishment.

Johnson - you really think firing Coker will make anytihng better? Everyone said the same about Butch Davis.

Anon - True. Penn State does not approach the roughness of Dade County.

Anon1- Willie Williams, thug though he was, scored a 1280 on his SATs.

Anon3 - Miami will not TOUCh the PSU legacy? Ahhhh, I'm no UM apologist but last time I checked UM has 5 naitonal titles.

Mini - Sorry to hear you didn't like the brawl. Maybe you didn't but a hell of a lot of people did.

Johnny - How do you assume PSU recruits smarter players? I've gotta disagree. It's just an image thing.

Anon - Who is Lemmiwinks?

J - Agian, you amke a solid point. But I would love to see those numbers to back it up. I believe them, but I'd also love to have the hard evidence.

Andy - they really do that? Wow. I am so proud to have attended such a fine institiution. But that NEVER happens at Penn St, right?

Miamican.... - That is a dead-on assessment of UM. The program is not about fans or winning or school spirit. It is about putting guys in the NFL. Period. And nobody does it better.

Aikin - Well, go Aggies!

J - If college teams were relegated to only having fans that went to the school ,college football would be a very different place.

Angel - It was a first for me.

Anon - Yep. Kendall fuckign SUCKS.

Anon2 - becasue most of FIU and a large part of the classless UM fans live in Kendall. Aka suburbia for Hispanic Trash.

Bill - A UM player scored a TD and celebrated by either bowing to the FIU sideline or mooning them, that is till up for debate. So on the extra point there was a little scuffle and next thing you know an FIU lineman slams UM's HOLDER into the ground. Which is really classless if you think about it. So UM retaliated and yadda yadda yadda, everyone in the country thinks Miami is full of thugs, Which it is. Somewhere trick Daddy is smiling.

 
At 3:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dade,

Lemmiwinks is the gerbil in South Park that was stuck up Mr. Slave's ass. Lemminwinks escaped Mr. Slave's ass by climbing through his organs and escaping out of Mr. Slave's mouth. By escaping, he freed the souls of animals who had died in Mr. Slave's ass.

I would say one of the Top 5 South Park episodes of all time.

ANON1

 
At 6:19 PM, Anonymous J said...

Here's links for the NCAA Academic Progress Rates, or what they use to measure academics within athletics.

http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/apr2005/415_2005_apr.pdf
http://www2.ncaa.org/portal/academics_and_athletes/education_and_research/academic_reform/general_apr_data.pdf

As you can see, UM football is in the 70-80th percentile for all football programs. The avg APR for UM football is 956, which is above the average of 940 for ALL D-IA sports (yes, including tennis players and golfers and other nerdy sports).

Therefore, according to the NCAA research, the average UM football "thug" is better academically than the average D-I athlete.

Here is also a link to a video constrasting Thug U to the beloved, classy programs of holy Notre Dame and venerable USC.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1zgzXSbuyB8&mode=related&search=

Keep hatin!

 
At 6:33 PM, Anonymous J said...

Links went off the screen in the previous post. This should work and display my "opinions".

UM sports: http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data
/apr2005/415_2005_apr.pdf

Division I sports:
http://www2.ncaa.org/portal
/academics_and_athletes/education
_and_research/academic_reform
/general_apr_data.pdf

ND vs USC brawl:
http://youtube.com/watch?
v=1zgzXSbuyB8&mode=related&search=

 
At 2:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW! So they change player's grades, tutor people before tests and do their work for them. That is impressive.

Great job!

ANON1

 

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